Dimensio
04-23-2008, 12:24 AM
This post was entirely spontaneous. So its probably full of errors. Please post your questions / review of the post as a reply.
This post is long. But what if dedicating two minutes to reading this improved your general communication skills & made you more interesting?? would that be worthwhile ??
For this topic I will talk to you as if you are completely new to the game and need to be told exactly why you suck, so you can work towards fixing it. I'm not trying to demotivate you by being harsh. If I tell you how guys suck at delivering material, have you considered recording yourself talking to girls then playing it back and -wordremoved--wordremoved--wordremoved--wordremoved-ysing the keypoints I outline ?? probably not
This is just some basic conversational stuff a few guys I have been working with seem to consistently fuck up with. I give them a god damn killer story and they turn it to shit by describing it in their crappy unevaluated way. This is the main reason I'm not reveleaing my canned material at the moment
[Note: when I post messages online, I focus on getting the message across in a clear & understandable way . Not trying to make it compelling
If you are describing a friends/colleagues event, your not bragging. You can use this general principle to bring up the topic of sex & relationships without being too direct.
If you speak slowly and memorise a few of the following, by the time you have finished saying these start lines you should have had enough time to think up a conversation to start with it...
so if you run out of things to say :
you know <Pause> , <sentence from below said s l o w l y > .. then anything.
You can't be discussing the weather with girls. It bores the shit out of them.
Unless you have already built value, they don't care about your new puppy or how your mum is coming into town for a few weeks.If you haven't built value, their is no reason for her to want to tell you about stuff thats important to her. Your only option is to lead the conversation Stop trying to reinvent the wheel and stick with the following topics for emergency use:
+ Relationships
+ Relationship Difficulties
+ Sex
+ Guys sucking at sex
+ Celebrity Relationship Status
+ Britney spears losing her (kids / mind)
+ Paris hilton
+ Fake Breasts
+ Celebrity News
+ "you know,my guys were discussing the most attractive trait a woman can have. I Have to admit, I was a little surprised by the result. Leave it hanging,don't offer to present your findings and when she asks, regardless of the question answer : "its interesting how things can be not as you expect them, ha! I remember when I was 6 years old and"... (process : Predict the return question, work out general theme of question, answer in a way that isn't an answer to a question but a reply during a conversation, lead it somewhere else)
+ Plastic Surgery
+ Sex
+ Magic / The occult
+ Why it is crap to have big tits
+ Some quirky stupid shit, like I just feel like a change. Oooh, I know what would be fun. I've decided , I'm going to shave my hair short and dye it. yeah that will be fun. I got to be creative though, so I think it will be coloured with a burberry colour tartan pattern. What colour is the tartan for burberry ?? if she says she doesn't know, ask her "do you even know what burberry is?" not giving her time to answer before jumping to a new topic
other stuff you can use :
+ Her Mind
+ How people think
+ Stuff you can teach her
the topics are of such interest to women that the topics will still return great results in the women (leaning in, playing with hair etc). So you will be doing a crap job and get good responses, this will motivate you to progress. This will make you feel good. I want to see you do well, as it makes me look good.
If she is single, discussing sex/relationships (discussions SHOULD NOT involve her, but rather be discussions about other people ) will remind her of her loneliness & create a desire for a guy.
If she's in a relationship, its likely the guy isn't doing a good job of keeping her emotional and physical needs met. Blasting her with discussions about relationships, then after an intermission conversation, how bad some men are in bed when presented through a veil of you saying of another person discussing it etc, will bring her to evaluate her own relationship.
A good example is I may chat with a girl about how my friend {mika/charlie/sarah} wanting to go outclubbing with me ->
describe uncertainty ->
describe deciding to 'just do it & follow my instinct' ->
describe emotions I felt when I was out clubbing ->
talk about my guys showing up, describe setting where I am alpha ->
carry on tale about girls in club ->
Lots of guys hitting on them ->
funny extract where out of the blue I ask the hottest girl in the group I am talking to if she likes midgets.... then cut her off and carry on with story ->
girls talk about 'finding a winner' ->
me being confused ->
one of my friends going off with some guy, " but obviously I can't tell you which one, because you know, its secret and stuff. I guess, with me , making sure I don't affect the reputation of the people I am with is very important. But thats just me. Anyway..."
-> Next day, after I slept on mikas couch with a new friend asks x if he was a winner and she replies he was a two minute wonder
-> me being surprised by how bad most men are in bed.
-> At no point do I say I am better or discuss myself, saying how bad others are is way more than enough.
+ Implied : Leader , Female Friends, Trustworthy, Secretive, Sexually Active, In touch with emotions, I don't lose respect for girls that have one night stands. The decision where I decide to just do it & follow my instinct is a recurring theme in my stories. After I have hammered it into her subconscious by providing several situations where I just decided to follow my instincts, will teach her to do the same. This will make her far more receptive to any advances you make, as she will be acting more instinctual and less acting upon her social training to avoid appearing to be a whore.
Above is the outline of the story
See if you can build any stories that add all those values in & stays interesting. Basically , when it comes to stories, as long as sex is in some way involved a girl will find it interesting.
Get a framework like that and then create a story, be wild. Write down word for word what you will say to the girl based on the above framework. Try to base it somewhat on true events in your past. Deliberately leave unfinisd questions for her, so she is asking you questions throughout. Practice using my hot chick screensaver method. Go out and try it... she will be begging for more of that kind of conversation.
Girls use feelings like guys use facts, so instead of saying :
+ Yeah, so we all headed down to Tampa Bar, opposite Big Danny's on the pier. Lots of people there. Nice place.
you could translate that to a more woman friendly version
+ So we went to a nice pier side bar, real ambiance. I love it when a place has .. that ... indescribable ... energy... , like a buzz that, if your a little intuitive, tells you everyone is having a real good time.
Your conversations at the moment are probably boring.
Sorry. But its true.
I've studied you, I know exactly how your mind works.
You've got a big ol' bag of canned material , but you don't realise it.
which means if your talking to me, you will use the same way of describing stuff / explaining stuff regardless of the situation. Perhaps you have three variants. Instead of that, almost every sentence you speak needs to have a different captive. A captive is simply a compelling sentence beginning.
So at the moment, what are your captives??? I like the word captive as your current captives keep your communication locked down, frigid. Yet a good captive, will captivate an audience.
Exercise :
1. Find a friend, boy or girl
2. Make small talk
3. ask them how they would describe their car
4. ask "so whats your parents house like"
5. so what did you spend most of your childhood doing??
6. Cool man, hey by the way do you know where a petshop is??
7. Ask them what they think of a particular girl
- All above completely different scenario's, each triggering a different emotional response. Yet ...
If they open up & actually think of anything, you will notice the event describing sentences ( the good part ) usually start with 1/3 captives. Listen for them. Be amazed at how they always use the same captives.
how about the following captives. Pick a few, then say them outloud a few times. Even seemingly irrelevent ones such as :
I went to the grocery store needing candles, a lighter, gasoline & a cucumber
going to
I wonder if I needed candles,a lighter, gasoline & a cucumber at the store <pause> yes I think I did.
is more interesting, and that is literally just a random one from below.
I saw someone do this once...
I wonder if...
I don't know how soon...
I wonder could you...
I would like to suggest that...
I want you to bear in mind...
I want you to become aware...
I can remember...
I'd like you to pretend that...
I'm wondering...
I'm curious to know...
If you could...
In my experience...
Is it that you are...
Is it possible...
Is it that you have...
Is it that there is...
It is useful that...
It's just like...
It's impossible...
It's good to know that...
It's useful that...
It's good that...
It's either (A) or (B); which is it...
It's not important that...
It's as if...
People can loosen up easily...
Perhaps you are...
Perhaps you can...
Perhaps you could...
Perhaps you're wondering...
This can be learned easily...
What do you think would happen if...
What would happen if...
What's it like to...
When you notice... ...then...
Will you...
Would you...
You come to...
You are learning to anticipate...
You can become aware that...
You know about these things...
You will feel...
After you come to....
After you've...
And the more you (X)...the more you (Y)
And as you...
Are you curious about...
Are you aware that...
Are you still interested in...
As you hear these words they...
As you... ...then...
As you consider this...
Be aware of what you can sense...
Before you think...
Can you imagine...
Can I ask you to...
Can you visualise...
Can you...
Can you remember...
Could you...
Do you think that...
Do you remember when...
Do you...
Do you ever...
Don't think of...
Has it ever occurred to you that...
Have you noticed that...
Have you ever wondered...
Have you...
Have you ever...
How would you feel if...
How do you know that...
How do you feel when...
I don't want you to be...
I want you to learn...
I know you are curious...
I saw someone do this in minutes once...
I wonder if...
I don't know how soon...
I wonder could you...
I would like to suggest that...
I want you to bear in mind...
I want you to become aware...
I can remember...
I'd like you to pretend that...
I'm wondering...
I'm curious to know...
If you could...
In my experience...
Is it that you are...
Is it possible...
Is it that you have...
Is it that there is...
It is useful that...
It's just like...
It's impossible...
It's good to know that...
It's useful that...
It's good that...
It's either (A) or (B); which is it...
It's not important that...
It's as if...
People can loosen up easily...
Perhaps you are...
Perhaps you can...
Perhaps you could...
Perhaps you're wondering...
This can be learned easily...
What do you think would happen if...
What would happen if...
What's it like to...
When you notice... ...then...
Will you...
Would you...
You come to...
You are learning to anticipate...
You can become aware that...
You know about these things...
You will feel...
Before I go, your probably thinking : I could never integrate that to make it sound normal !
which of the following is better :
So would you like to come out in durham on friday with me? I think it will be fun.
or
You will feel great when your out soSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMing. Meeting my friends and dancing and stuff too. So can I rely on picking you up at 9 or is it going to have to be 7pm ??
To your success,
DIMENSIO
This post is long. But what if dedicating two minutes to reading this improved your general communication skills & made you more interesting?? would that be worthwhile ??
For this topic I will talk to you as if you are completely new to the game and need to be told exactly why you suck, so you can work towards fixing it. I'm not trying to demotivate you by being harsh. If I tell you how guys suck at delivering material, have you considered recording yourself talking to girls then playing it back and -wordremoved--wordremoved--wordremoved--wordremoved-ysing the keypoints I outline ?? probably not
This is just some basic conversational stuff a few guys I have been working with seem to consistently fuck up with. I give them a god damn killer story and they turn it to shit by describing it in their crappy unevaluated way. This is the main reason I'm not reveleaing my canned material at the moment
[Note: when I post messages online, I focus on getting the message across in a clear & understandable way . Not trying to make it compelling
If you are describing a friends/colleagues event, your not bragging. You can use this general principle to bring up the topic of sex & relationships without being too direct.
If you speak slowly and memorise a few of the following, by the time you have finished saying these start lines you should have had enough time to think up a conversation to start with it...
so if you run out of things to say :
you know <Pause> , <sentence from below said s l o w l y > .. then anything.
You can't be discussing the weather with girls. It bores the shit out of them.
Unless you have already built value, they don't care about your new puppy or how your mum is coming into town for a few weeks.If you haven't built value, their is no reason for her to want to tell you about stuff thats important to her. Your only option is to lead the conversation Stop trying to reinvent the wheel and stick with the following topics for emergency use:
+ Relationships
+ Relationship Difficulties
+ Sex
+ Guys sucking at sex
+ Celebrity Relationship Status
+ Britney spears losing her (kids / mind)
+ Paris hilton
+ Fake Breasts
+ Celebrity News
+ "you know,my guys were discussing the most attractive trait a woman can have. I Have to admit, I was a little surprised by the result. Leave it hanging,don't offer to present your findings and when she asks, regardless of the question answer : "its interesting how things can be not as you expect them, ha! I remember when I was 6 years old and"... (process : Predict the return question, work out general theme of question, answer in a way that isn't an answer to a question but a reply during a conversation, lead it somewhere else)
+ Plastic Surgery
+ Sex
+ Magic / The occult
+ Why it is crap to have big tits
+ Some quirky stupid shit, like I just feel like a change. Oooh, I know what would be fun. I've decided , I'm going to shave my hair short and dye it. yeah that will be fun. I got to be creative though, so I think it will be coloured with a burberry colour tartan pattern. What colour is the tartan for burberry ?? if she says she doesn't know, ask her "do you even know what burberry is?" not giving her time to answer before jumping to a new topic
other stuff you can use :
+ Her Mind
+ How people think
+ Stuff you can teach her
the topics are of such interest to women that the topics will still return great results in the women (leaning in, playing with hair etc). So you will be doing a crap job and get good responses, this will motivate you to progress. This will make you feel good. I want to see you do well, as it makes me look good.
If she is single, discussing sex/relationships (discussions SHOULD NOT involve her, but rather be discussions about other people ) will remind her of her loneliness & create a desire for a guy.
If she's in a relationship, its likely the guy isn't doing a good job of keeping her emotional and physical needs met. Blasting her with discussions about relationships, then after an intermission conversation, how bad some men are in bed when presented through a veil of you saying of another person discussing it etc, will bring her to evaluate her own relationship.
A good example is I may chat with a girl about how my friend {mika/charlie/sarah} wanting to go outclubbing with me ->
describe uncertainty ->
describe deciding to 'just do it & follow my instinct' ->
describe emotions I felt when I was out clubbing ->
talk about my guys showing up, describe setting where I am alpha ->
carry on tale about girls in club ->
Lots of guys hitting on them ->
funny extract where out of the blue I ask the hottest girl in the group I am talking to if she likes midgets.... then cut her off and carry on with story ->
girls talk about 'finding a winner' ->
me being confused ->
one of my friends going off with some guy, " but obviously I can't tell you which one, because you know, its secret and stuff. I guess, with me , making sure I don't affect the reputation of the people I am with is very important. But thats just me. Anyway..."
-> Next day, after I slept on mikas couch with a new friend asks x if he was a winner and she replies he was a two minute wonder
-> me being surprised by how bad most men are in bed.
-> At no point do I say I am better or discuss myself, saying how bad others are is way more than enough.
+ Implied : Leader , Female Friends, Trustworthy, Secretive, Sexually Active, In touch with emotions, I don't lose respect for girls that have one night stands. The decision where I decide to just do it & follow my instinct is a recurring theme in my stories. After I have hammered it into her subconscious by providing several situations where I just decided to follow my instincts, will teach her to do the same. This will make her far more receptive to any advances you make, as she will be acting more instinctual and less acting upon her social training to avoid appearing to be a whore.
Above is the outline of the story
See if you can build any stories that add all those values in & stays interesting. Basically , when it comes to stories, as long as sex is in some way involved a girl will find it interesting.
Get a framework like that and then create a story, be wild. Write down word for word what you will say to the girl based on the above framework. Try to base it somewhat on true events in your past. Deliberately leave unfinisd questions for her, so she is asking you questions throughout. Practice using my hot chick screensaver method. Go out and try it... she will be begging for more of that kind of conversation.
Girls use feelings like guys use facts, so instead of saying :
+ Yeah, so we all headed down to Tampa Bar, opposite Big Danny's on the pier. Lots of people there. Nice place.
you could translate that to a more woman friendly version
+ So we went to a nice pier side bar, real ambiance. I love it when a place has .. that ... indescribable ... energy... , like a buzz that, if your a little intuitive, tells you everyone is having a real good time.
Your conversations at the moment are probably boring.
Sorry. But its true.
I've studied you, I know exactly how your mind works.
You've got a big ol' bag of canned material , but you don't realise it.
which means if your talking to me, you will use the same way of describing stuff / explaining stuff regardless of the situation. Perhaps you have three variants. Instead of that, almost every sentence you speak needs to have a different captive. A captive is simply a compelling sentence beginning.
So at the moment, what are your captives??? I like the word captive as your current captives keep your communication locked down, frigid. Yet a good captive, will captivate an audience.
Exercise :
1. Find a friend, boy or girl
2. Make small talk
3. ask them how they would describe their car
4. ask "so whats your parents house like"
5. so what did you spend most of your childhood doing??
6. Cool man, hey by the way do you know where a petshop is??
7. Ask them what they think of a particular girl
- All above completely different scenario's, each triggering a different emotional response. Yet ...
If they open up & actually think of anything, you will notice the event describing sentences ( the good part ) usually start with 1/3 captives. Listen for them. Be amazed at how they always use the same captives.
how about the following captives. Pick a few, then say them outloud a few times. Even seemingly irrelevent ones such as :
I went to the grocery store needing candles, a lighter, gasoline & a cucumber
going to
I wonder if I needed candles,a lighter, gasoline & a cucumber at the store <pause> yes I think I did.
is more interesting, and that is literally just a random one from below.
I saw someone do this once...
I wonder if...
I don't know how soon...
I wonder could you...
I would like to suggest that...
I want you to bear in mind...
I want you to become aware...
I can remember...
I'd like you to pretend that...
I'm wondering...
I'm curious to know...
If you could...
In my experience...
Is it that you are...
Is it possible...
Is it that you have...
Is it that there is...
It is useful that...
It's just like...
It's impossible...
It's good to know that...
It's useful that...
It's good that...
It's either (A) or (B); which is it...
It's not important that...
It's as if...
People can loosen up easily...
Perhaps you are...
Perhaps you can...
Perhaps you could...
Perhaps you're wondering...
This can be learned easily...
What do you think would happen if...
What would happen if...
What's it like to...
When you notice... ...then...
Will you...
Would you...
You come to...
You are learning to anticipate...
You can become aware that...
You know about these things...
You will feel...
After you come to....
After you've...
And the more you (X)...the more you (Y)
And as you...
Are you curious about...
Are you aware that...
Are you still interested in...
As you hear these words they...
As you... ...then...
As you consider this...
Be aware of what you can sense...
Before you think...
Can you imagine...
Can I ask you to...
Can you visualise...
Can you...
Can you remember...
Could you...
Do you think that...
Do you remember when...
Do you...
Do you ever...
Don't think of...
Has it ever occurred to you that...
Have you noticed that...
Have you ever wondered...
Have you...
Have you ever...
How would you feel if...
How do you know that...
How do you feel when...
I don't want you to be...
I want you to learn...
I know you are curious...
I saw someone do this in minutes once...
I wonder if...
I don't know how soon...
I wonder could you...
I would like to suggest that...
I want you to bear in mind...
I want you to become aware...
I can remember...
I'd like you to pretend that...
I'm wondering...
I'm curious to know...
If you could...
In my experience...
Is it that you are...
Is it possible...
Is it that you have...
Is it that there is...
It is useful that...
It's just like...
It's impossible...
It's good to know that...
It's useful that...
It's good that...
It's either (A) or (B); which is it...
It's not important that...
It's as if...
People can loosen up easily...
Perhaps you are...
Perhaps you can...
Perhaps you could...
Perhaps you're wondering...
This can be learned easily...
What do you think would happen if...
What would happen if...
What's it like to...
When you notice... ...then...
Will you...
Would you...
You come to...
You are learning to anticipate...
You can become aware that...
You know about these things...
You will feel...
Before I go, your probably thinking : I could never integrate that to make it sound normal !
which of the following is better :
So would you like to come out in durham on friday with me? I think it will be fun.
or
You will feel great when your out soSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMing. Meeting my friends and dancing and stuff too. So can I rely on picking you up at 9 or is it going to have to be 7pm ??
To your success,
DIMENSIO