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mustaine
07-28-2008, 12:14 AM
LOl, a very nice article from Vin dicarlo


I am NOT the most fashion
savvy guy in the world.

I usually let my girlfriend pick out
clothes for me - not for MY benefit..

... but so that she doesn't feel
embarrassed when we go out in
public together!

If it were up to me, I'd wear sweats and
a t-shirt all day, with some old worn
out sneakers. I mean, I think fashion is
pretty silly.

I can definitely appreciate the artistic
aspect of fashion design and style. When
you look at a really well dressed woman,
her outfit is like a work of art, and I
dig that.

But when a guy is "too stylish" I kinda
lose respect for him.

Don't get me wrong, a man should present
himself like he means to be taken
seriously. A nice suit, good quality,
well-fitting clothes are a fundamental
part of masculine expression.

But some guys take it too far.

Case in point, the obsession with "peacocking"
in the pickup Community for the past
several years.

When I hear this term it makes me
cringe.

YOU ARE NOT A PEACOCK.

If you're not familiar with
"peacocking," let me explain.

A while ago, there was an emergence of
routine-based "game," relying heavily on
superficial techniques, status games, and
over--wordremoved--wordremoved--wordremoved--wordremoved-ysis of social interactions.

I never saw the value of any of this,
and have always gone in the opposite
direction.

The main reason for this is
that I saw how pretending to be someone
other than yourself, and saying jokes
and routines that other guys came up
with JUST FELT WRONG.

On top of that, the PRIMARY FOCUS of all
that strategizing and game-playing was
to covertly get approval from women,
while making them feel insecure so
they'd think you were cooler than them.

Think about the layers of bullshit in
that approach to dating. Not only are
you faking your personality because you

a) seek approval (as if women were an
authority on what makes a man a man)

b) hide the fact that you're seeking
approval

c) play games with women so that they
feel insecure and try to seek your
approval

YUCK

One of the main techniques of this
approach was to "peacock," to dress up
in a really loud, ostentatious way so
that women would "notice" you and want
to talk to you.

Now there's nothing wrong with wearing a
nice watch, or a necklace that has some
personal meaning.

But don't do it to
make women like you.

I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen the
advocates of this approach on TV shows,
straining to make sense out of this
hare-brained "technique."

I've personally encountered students of
other pickup schools, and felt sad
because these poor guys were not only
nervous, clumsy, misdirected...they
looked RETARDED.

So I want to set the record straight
when it comes to fashion and meeting
women.

There are only a handful of things you
need to pay attention to when it comes
to your appearance.

After you get this stuff handled, you
should put it out of your mind, and
not wait for women to notice you
before you TAKE ACTION.

Before I go on, I have to reveal a
secret.

I've tried peacocking myself. I did this
maybe a couple times when I heard that
other guys were doing it, just to see if
it worked.

I felt ridiculous, and was totally
incongruent with my personality when I
went out.

But we all know that women pay attention
to fashion, and like a well-dressed man.

I noticed that some of my best pickups
occurred when I was in my workout
clothes, or I was wearing something
really basic - like jeans and a tanktop.

At the same time, I'd see muscled-up
guys wearing revealing spandex, or
super-tight shirts at the club, and
women definitely did not respond well to
this.

This got me thinking...maybe it's not
how much the clothes cost, or how flashy
they are...

Maybe there's something else
going on.

Actually, there are two things going on,
and you must manage, or balance these
two things.

First and foremost, never seek approval
from women. If a woman can tell that you
are trying to impress her or make her
like you, you are toast.

So if you look like you got dressed with
the intention of getting women's
attention, they'll see you coming a mile
a way and put up their defenses.


You DON'T WANT to look like a
pick up artist.

It's better to dress modestly, and not
put too much thought into it.

However, you don't want to look sloppy.
You want to present yourself in the best
way you can.

This comes back to self-expression.

You already have a sense of what kind of
guy you are, what your "scene" is, what
you think is cool.

Don't change that.

Instead, cultivate it, with these simple
tweaks.

Wear colors that appeal to your skin
tone and hair color. This isn't rocket
science. Go to an upscale men's clothing
store, and ask someone about this. Or
look online.

Next, make sure your clothes are clean,
and wrinkle free, and reasonably
up-to-date. A woman should not have to
worry about bringing you around her
friends.

Lastly, make sure your clothes fit well,
meaning, they ACCENTUATE YOUR
MASCULINE PHYSIQUE.

Wear shirts that narrow your waist, and
square your shoulders.

Wear pants that make your legs look long
and thin.

Wear shoes that make your feet look big
and well-formed.

Groom yourself - nose, neck, and ear
hairs. Get a decent haircut. Shave, or
don't, but figure out what looks best
and take it all the way.

One other piece...

Accessories should hang off you loosely,
and have the look of a small decoration
that says, "yeah, I can fuck."

Use your intuition with this one. I don't want to
say too much because that's a whole
other topic.

Luscious
07-28-2008, 12:30 AM
I like that part "You DON'T WANT to look like a pick up artist." , It reminded me of "you don't want to look like a salesman" coz it's common that both make people more resistant instantly , There are exceptions though ! .

I think that the whole peacocking thing would be best if you apply the Art of seduction strategy of having an air of mystery where you'd wear one incongruent item with your whole look , Like wearing a classy suit and then wear like a new age item like those bracelets around your neck , It gets them to think a lot ! .

mustaine
07-28-2008, 02:46 AM
I like that part "You DON'T WANT to look like a pick up artist." , It reminded me of "you don't want to look like a salesman" coz it's common that both make people more resistant instantly , There are exceptions though ! .

I think that the whole peacocking thing would be best if you apply the Art of seduction strategy of having an air of mystery where you'd wear one incongruent item with your whole look , Like wearing a classy suit and then wear like a new age item like those bracelets around your neck , It gets them to think a lot ! .

good point dude, but i am totally into the whole natural, direct approach, really don't do the peacocking, in the PUA sense, my clothes are well fitted, I have a 2 really high end designer jeans and some normal jeans. I will use a pendant , a leather wrist band (brown, I hate black bands and anything with studs) and are usually no more than 2inch wide.I was in to affliction way before it became so mainstream and into the rocker rebellion look, more in to monarchy, salvage,drifter,armani exchange etc now. For me every thing is moderate because it is being added together for the final blend but I have atleast 1 interesting item maybe my pendant( and just interesting not a wtF pendant). Most guys doing direct have to understand that how you dress is important, your not ducking behind canned shit, so dress should not be barrier, look fucking sharp but not like a fucking Barney or some fucking Clown.

mustaine
07-28-2008, 02:54 AM
I have 1 more point and this came after some deep thought. You know (and this is for the natural game guys) peacocking for us, could be but again a higher intellectual form of neediness. think about it, you are dressing for attention, thats why you peacock, for people to notice you, that you go not ignored.
But what if you can change that mindset: by just learning to dress well, look sharp and let the techniques and mindsets do the rest.

Luscious
07-28-2008, 08:15 AM
In my mind I believe that natural game has a form of subtle peacocking or I'd rather call it alluring aura where your mentality and beliefs make your energy totally different & unique that women can you feel you in any place , I remember one time Thundercat was talking about Neil Strauss and how's he's low key and still every body notices him and treats him like a celebrity and the key is to believe you're one , Also the more you love women unconditionally the more magnetic you become instantly.

ilrein
07-28-2008, 03:40 PM
It's not peacocking once it's congruent with you, it's just your unique style.

Noj10
08-02-2008, 09:05 PM
I get compliments on my clothes all the time, yet I only wear jeans and a t-shirt most of the time. I occasionally wear a polo, but never anything over the top- no jewelry, no hats. This article has a really good point.

cooperdk
08-02-2008, 09:55 PM
peacocking for me is a wide subject, it can be necklaces, and so on..

What specific is peacooking things?

Anyone got some pictures about over peacocking? and perfect peacocking?

Rival
08-03-2008, 09:56 PM
I AM a peacock. my daddy was a peacock, and my granddaddy was a peacock. Totally kidding here. I agree. once it's congruent with you, it's more of being your style, not necessarily, 'peacocking'. But either way, I'm totally for not looking like a PUA.

--Rival

mustaine
08-09-2008, 04:36 PM
This how your boys mystery and style PEAcock, look how these fags look like
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h129/puapics/mystery03.jpg
and these are the fucking guys we learn from

theuserman
08-10-2008, 11:08 PM
Andddd that would be L.A. in a nutshell for you.

As it was mentioned before, it's a unique style.

For myself, it's usually a colorful shirt, nice necklace, a bracelet I got from San Juan and a little Native American raven medallion I hang from my pants' belt loop. Sometimes I'll wear a fedora or a nerdy hat, and they work great. It's just my style.

... Although that croc suit looks hawt. :P

Anton
08-25-2008, 12:14 PM
This how your boys mystery and style PEAcock, look how these fags look like
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h129/puapics/mystery03.jpg
and these are the fucking guys we learn from

If you peacock like this and have HUGE amount of social value, you seem like a rock star or someone famous. Women will wonder who this crazy guy is. Crazy = good

But if you don't have any social value and wear this, you look like the social burden. The weird guy..

I think it take balls to wear that, it shows that he's immune to social pressure..

goldendsliver
08-25-2008, 10:29 PM
one word: fashion is mostly for you to feel good abaut yourself.
I don t know if it matters at all.

personally I`m attached to my cloathing.
my possesions, that are special to me act as parts of who I am.

I think speer looks like a copycated idiot, dressed as mysterys wing.
but they both get lays.

I think a nice shirt, is like a womans dress.
but does it matter to pickup?

p.s I believe that mystery invented this shitt for guys to stretch the comfort zone.
if he does not believe it anymore, the mystery dies (the in the new batman-flick theory)

coyote
09-28-2008, 08:37 PM
Good article. There are too many mystery clones out there that don't feel congruent.

luthor
09-28-2008, 10:31 PM
I totally agree with the article. Maybe that is LA, but in England if someone went out dressed like Mystery, they would be slaughtered.

No need to look like a slob, groom, dress well in a style that's congruent (I hate using that word by the way) with yourself, I hang out in rock bars so I'm not gonna be wearing a tailored suit. Wear cool clothes, get a nice hair cut, make an effort, but don't go way over the top.

I think too many people try to be Mystery, rather than just accentuating themselves.