Hit&Run
03-08-2007, 07:01 PM
AMOG Tactics(from Tyler's posts, really great things!):
1) "whoa.. dude, you remind me so much of the most popular guy from my high
school.. like the captain of the football team guy, who beats up all the nerds.."
2) "whoa.. dude, you're like a total alpha male.. yeah, I'm serious.. I watched this
show on TV describing alpha males.. you totally fit the bill."
3) "dude.. you're a pretty cool guy.. you know, I'm just saying that you're cool..
you're just a cool guy" (in a way where he can't tell if you're serious, so he has to
say "thanks", but doesn't quite know how to react)
You'll find that you get amazing results from these first three for several reasons:
-this is a mind-fuck called "LABELLING"... its like if I told a gangster rapper "hey,
you're like the 'fuck-guy'.. you like to say 'fuck' all the time.. that's so cool....
'fuuuuck guuuuuy.. what's up!" The gangster rapper would feel like "WTF.. is that
bad?" and stop using the word 'fuck' around me as a result. It's basically designed
to get him CONSTANTLY CONSCIOUS of his actions, to trip him up.
-it shows that you understand his behaviour, and that the more he acts like that, the
more he shows you that YOU ARE RIGHT, making YOU the alpha.
Just stopped by, and thought I could post something. I don't have time to get into all that
I learned most of this stuff in Europe, while trying to steal sets from guys and preventing
them from stealing sets from me. The guys here are not pushovers like most guys I meet
in North America. Many have game.
This is field tested probably hundreds of times.
AMOG: How do you guys know eachother?
PUA: Her? I fucked her.
(Girl will go "aaaaaaaaah... hahahahah, I did NOT!!! But she'll hit you and be giggling
and start crawling all over you...).
AMOG: Hey, this is a nice girl.
PUA: Her.. she's a slut..
(Again, girl will start going "nooooo!" while giggling her ass off and crawling on you.. this is very deflating to the guy trying to cut in)
NOTE: Trying the above 2 was actually kinda weird for me. I was like "fuck, I can't say
this". But I'd seen the European naturals use it on me a few times, so I thought "fuck it,
I'll use it". I use it all the time now, including just bringing it up like "actually guys, you
know her and I know eachother.. know how? I fucked her.." The girls freak out and
giggle and grab you and get hyper. The key though is that you have to do it when they're
already at high buying temperature. Like similar to CraigSD220's C&F Accentuators.
You do it to add punch to something else that already got them laughing.
AMOG: Hey girls whats up (or whatever)
PUA: Hey dude dude (putting hands up like you give up).. I will pay you a HUNDRED
dollars right now, to take these girls away from me.
(Girls will go "no no no... we love you PUA.. noooooo" and giggle and crawl on you..
Again, immediately deflating to the guy)
AMOG: Hey girls what's up (or whatever)
PUA: Dude, OMG that shirt is AWESOME.. I had one just like it in highschool, it
fucking rocks man.. Having a good time in London man.. It's awesome huh? Dude you're
like the coolest guy I met all night.. (patting him on the shoulder)..
AMOG: (showing signs that he wants to fight)
PUA: hahah, dude, are you like trying to pick a fight with me? hahahha.. ok ok hold up
hold up.. wait a sec, we'll do even better.. first... we'll have an armwrestling competition..
then second.. we'll do one armed pushups.. and last..... POSE-DOWN!!
(then you start flexing and go "ladies?", and they start saying how you're so strong, and
the AMOG looks like a tool.. you're tooling him, by making him seem like he's trying too
hard to impress the girls by showing them superiority).
AMOG: Hey man.. keep talking.. no no, let's hear your pitch man.. pick these girls up
man, you're doing awesome.
PUA: Hey, you know I've gotta try to impress you COOL (x-city, x-dressed, xwhateverquality)
guys.. You guys fucking ROCK.
(cut him down on whatever limited amount of knowledge you have of him, even if its not
relevant whatsoever, he'll feel uncomfortable and his bodylanguage will show it)
AMOG: (starts touching you to show dominance)
PUA: hahhaha, DUUUUDE, I'm not into guys man... dude, there's club-gay-whatever over there man.. hands off the merchandise buddy
(girls laugh at him, then he starts qualifying himself to you that he's not gay)
AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: (don't answer.. just SIT there quiet.. the more he says stuff to you, the more he's
TRYING.. talking too long without an answer is QUALIFYING yourself.. so if he keeps
trying to out-alpha you, and you don't answer, eventually he looks beta because he tried
too hard to get your attention.. another trick is to make "let's get out of here" girlcode
with your eyes to the girls (mimmick what they do to eachother when you do a bad set),
and they'll leave with you)
AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: dude, you're an alphamale..
AMOG: what's that..
PUA: you know, like the leader of the pack.. you call the shots.. you can put your hands
on guys you don't know, cause you're alpha..
(fucks up his whole 'look cool' game, because you've characterized all his manneurisms,
so anything he does to look alpha makes him appear to be qualifying himself too you.. if
he continues, just say "see... alphamale.. whoa tiger, I can't mess")
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Also more tactics..
Once you get the guy to qualify himself to you in any way (like he tries to make friends),
rather than being nice, IMMEDIATELY cut him out of the circle. Just cut him out. You'll
notice him trying to SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN by bombarding you with logical
questions. They'll start pummeling you with logical stuff, so that you have to answer him
the girls fall out of state. For me I found the solution was just to say "hey man, don't get
all scientific on me.. we're here to have fun.." and then immediately start gaming the girls
again. btw, if I'm out with any of my GFs at a club, and another guy hits on them, I use
the same tactics on AMOGS to stop them.
When you cut him out of the circle, he'll either leave (too deflated), or he'll try to grab
your shoulder and say something like "don't turn your back on me". From there, the girls
think he's creepy, so you say "hey guys, this dude is creepy.. are you friends with this
guy?? did YOU bring this guy here?" The girls will say "no no no, we don't know him",
and you say "OK, let's get out of here", and put out your arms for them to grab.
Then walk away with the girls on your arms, and if you want (I do this alot) turn around
and have them both kiss you on the cheek and wave the AMOG goodbye.
===
Also, you can USE the AMOG's WORK for yourself. Like he lines 'em up, you knock
'em down.
This is something I do alot. I let a guy pick a girl up and increase her buying temperature,
then I go in and outalpha him, say he's creepy to the girls, and then remove them from
him.
The girls are already aroused, so they are still in state based on what the AMOG did. I
can do this like maybe on 90% of sets I approach where a natural AMOG has gotten far
with a girl.
Basically, I just make the friends of the girl who is getting gamed on by the AMOG like
me. Like, they want me, but they know they're not qualified but their friend is.
Then I say "Hey I want to meet your friend so much, but that touchy grabby lean in guy
is all over her.. is she just being nice, or does she really like guys who lean in and touch
and do all the 'whats your name' fake ungenuine stuff?"
The UGs are invariably like "no no, we hate guys like that.. that's why we love you so
much blah blah", and then you get the FRIENDS to literally REMOVE the hottie that you
want from the AMOG who is conveniently heating her up for you and saving you the
hassle.
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I'm walking home (first day back at school, btw) and some dude is pissing on
the wall.
AMOG: its fucking huge, huh?
TD: yeah dude, I almost swooned.
He's surprised obviously (this guy was pretty alpha actually). He keeps
walking, probably thinking of how to out-alpha me.
AMOG: swooned huh? hahah man you're such a JOKER.
(I *LIKE* this one, calling guys a "joker" if they nail you with a good one..
like the implication is that he's the insecure type to use humour to gain
acceptance)
TD: yeah man... you know I've got to impress..
(standard come back for guys who imply I'm trying to impress them with any of
the "nice shirt" or "you're awesome" type stuff)
AMOG: haa, I AM impressed man..
(still trying to top me here)
TD: guy, without my fans.....
(I raise my hands to finish the sentence.. notice that in out-alphaing, you
don't use alot of well thought out sentences.. its like even giving well
thought out answers is too much.. this is like from JAP Busting posts where I
answer "why did you ask me this" simply with "....I'm talking" (with a funny
face like "WTF is she thinking asking me this.. ) Then I do freeze out and
turn my back on him. If he attempts to re-initiate, he's outalpha'ed, so must
give up.. Also, if a guy answers with something too well thought out, I just
smirk and go "whoa dude, that's pretty scientific" and immediately turn my back
and freeze him out.. As usual, if he tries to get me to turn around by grabbing
me, I run the "whoa dude, Club-477 (gay club here) is down there.. hands off
the merchandise buddy, and if he replies I keep saying "man I'm not gay.. stop
trying man, I'm not gay").
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I think another variation of this could be if a guy really burns you, you could
say:
PUA: haaa, GUY, hahah.. man, I can't keep up with you buddy, while I'm out
you're like at home thinking this stuff up.. guy you are a JOKER man..
P.S.: For the record, I think that this whole thing is fucking lame. I'm just
glad that I understand it now. I remember being back in high-school and having
these assholes using shit like this on me, and I have to say that just
understanding the format well enough to be able to out-alpha anyone is awesome
(combined obviously with that I can remove their chicks from them, if not
totally then at least get them obviously wanting to within around 1 minute
which the AMOGS fucking hate).
That reminds of me the classic "Hey, when I'm talking to you
I'll point my finger at you" from your Elimidate. I used that tonight and the
HB10 was all over it.
Sickboy007 and I were gaming a 2 set from this HUGE 6'6 black guy. Once he
looked ready to knock us down, Sickboy007 goes -
Sickboy007: Dude, have you ever seen Fight Club.. Have you ever seen Fight
Club??
AMOG: umm yeah..
Sickboy007: OK dude, dude.. "I want you to HIT ME, AS HARD AS YOU CAN"... hit
me.. hit me...
AMOG: (looking like WTF?)
Sickboy007: whoa whoa whoa.. actually dude, DO NOT hit me.. with those arms,
man you'd KILL ME.. seriously man, don't don't.. look at this guy, WTF was I
thinking???
(use at your own risk.. :)... )
Also, I get alot of AMOGs here knowing the frame, so I have to take it further:
AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man, you're going to need
somebody to protect you mate, you're going to have all the guys into you.. (yes
I actually got this, and that was a cool shirt but he still found a way to diss
it, and to be honest it was a good diss)
PUA: Dude, that's why I rolled up on you.. I need YOU man.. help me, please
man.. dude, I look at you, and I just KNOW that you were born to protect my
sphinkter
OR:
AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man, you're going to need
somebody to protect you mate, you're going to have all the guys into you..
PUA: hahah man you are SO FUNNY.. man, you're the best comedian.. dude,
honestly, I like you man.. you're awesome.. you don't have to be funny for me
to like you..
AMOG: hey you fucking ginger-minger..
(I'm considered bad looking out here, because red-head guys are apparently
unattractive in Britain - gingerminger means ugly redhead guy.. for guys who
are fat, short, etc, guys will fall back on a CRUTCH and hit you with something
sensitive to try to get you to flinch.. after getting burned on this a few
times, I figured the formula, again, is to point out the GAP between what they
actually ARE and what they PROJECT..
PUA: whoa you're like the best verbal sparring partner ever.. that was so original man.. you're SO COOL.. ladies, is this guy not the coolest?? Guy, I can't roll with you, I'll pay you a hundred dollars to take these ladies from
me right now..
I'm sitting at one of the computers in my student center, and I see an AMOG
from the other night. I had been working a 2set, and he'd come into the set.
One thing I love to do when an AMOG enters the set, is this really simple coin
snatch trick that I learned from Mystery (he actually learned it from a dude at
the Guvernment club / www.theguvernment.com)
The idea is just learn ANY BASIC TRICK. Then you can use
this kind of tactic. Just learn anything. The coin thing isn't even magic.
It's just a dumb trick that happens to be field tested and shown to work
extremely well.
So anyway, what I'll do is that the AMOG will enter the set and the girls will
start chatting him because they know him. But I'll say "Dude dude dude, CHECK
THIS OUT.. Alright, hold your hand out." and do the trick on him.
Now what this accomplishes, is that you're OWNING the guy right in front of the
girls. Rather than sitting there like a puppydog, hoping that the girls will
come back to you, you just take over the set by demonstrating something to him,
where he's having to take directions from you in order to see it.
Also important is that on occasion the alpha will know what's happening, and
just not agree to do it. Most guys will back down from this, but instead I
just CUT HIM OUT OF REALITY. I say something dismissive like "Cool dude, its
OK to be shy man, I was like that before too.. anyway HBwhatever, check this
out, its AWESOME", with HIGH ENERGY because girls are drawn to that, and then
you can blow him out of the set because the girls focus on you and there's
nothing he can do about it. If he's a member of the set (close friend or
whatever), then later on say "Dude, I'm just chilling man.. Just shooting the
shit.. I didn't mean to fuck with you.. What's your name, man?" and because of
SOCIAL PRESSURE, he'll supplicate you and actually be receptive to your
attempts to get rapport with him, because inside he feels what you've done to
his status, and he just wants a quick-fix to regain it. So if you stroke his
ego just a BIT, he'll now RESPECT you and befriend you. Even help you. But do
this later, AFTER you've blown him out, when he's sitting there like a pouting
puppydog.
The thing is, and this is IMPORTANT, is that these AMOGs have natural
tendencies to still fuck you over, and make it look like you're qualifying
yourself.
In this case, the guy just thought that I was cool, and social proofed me to
the girls (who invited me out to the club tonight, actually). But typically,
they'll do this like this:
EXAMPLES:
You're showing people pictures. He'll come in and yell out "WICKED! Pictures!
Awesome man, its like a little show. Show me your little show, man! This is
awesome stuff! Man, these girls are loving this shit. (grabs them from you)
Hey girls, check these out!"
The moral here is that you need to OWN THE SET. Have DHVs ready that GUYS will
like, so that you can own them, the second that they arrive.
What I do is use silence to blow the guy out. If he acknowledges ME while I
won't acknowledge HIM, he qualifies himself by still paying attention to me,
and is blown out. I de-value them by treating them like they don't exist, but if
they get in my way aggressively then I cut them down with the aforementioned
tactics. The out-alpha stuff is for when its unavoidable.
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Yes man, in Lester Square we get these guys. The key is to go FURTHER than they do.. Good that you brought
this up also, I forgot about these, and they're common.
Examples:
AMOG: You know I already fucked these girls.
PUA: haa... oh man, I hope you doubled up! GROSS!
AMOG: hey guys..
PUA: Hey.. know how I know these girls.. I fucked them..
AMOG: haa.. then you got sloppy seconds buddy.. gross!
PUA: hahaha.. oh dude, you KNOW I doubled up on these girls.. hahaha
AMOG: look at these little brats (or whatever teasing or neg)
PUA: yeah man, these girls tried to fuck me all night..
AMOG: they tried to fuck YOU? hahha, these girls ARE sluts!
PUA: dude, you have NO CLUE.. these girls just did (whatever thing you can
MISINTERPRET)
Look at the double binds Badboy is using here:
AMOG: hey look at these little brats (or whatever teasing)
BADBOY: hey man.. do you have a girlfriend?
either:
AMOG: yes..
BADBOY: girls.. what do you think of a guy who goes out and leaves his
girlfriend all alone.. is that nice?
HBS: nooooo...
or:
AMOG: no... (he now looks bad for having no girlfriend)
BADBOY: man, you have to be nice to girls.. you have to by them drinks and
flowers and call them 10 times a day.. girls, you like guys who treat you nice
right (they HAVE to say yes, even though they don't.. also, by saying it in a
way that makes nice guys sound LAME, he's highlighting that he's not like that,
but is TOOLING the AMOG all the while)
For guys who have less game:
AMOG: flowers/drinks/compliments/even just approaching
BADBOY: girls.. go to him.. he is nice.. he will buy you whatever you want, and
call TEN TIMES A DAY.. no no.. a HUNDRED TIMES A DAY.. he will WORSHIP
YOU..
When you say "Do you have a girlfriend, bro?" sometimes the guy will come back with
something like:
"Yeah man. All these girls are my girlfriends."
"Yeah man. She's my girlfriend. And she's my girlfriend. And he's my girlfriend."
If you've been using this, I'd be curious to hear your stock comeback for it. I have a few
myself, but I prefer to go a more subtle route.
A strong framed AMOG generally won't bite on "Do you have a girlfriend?", nor will he
bite on the "Cool shirt, bro. Where did you get it?"
The thing with these guys is generally just to ignore them or even to politely
acknowledge their person but not show any emotional reaction to what they say. Almost
reacting as if he is just a nice guys and he's saying nice things to you. To do that requires
having higher value than him, and to then focus on the girls. If you have higher value,
then the girls will put all of their attention on you, and he will feel the vacuum of social
pressure and walk off.
More TD on AMOGing:
Out-alpha'ing guys is a fast way to convey value. It's like
stereotypical male fantasy of wishing that they could slay the dragon
or save a girl from harm. Why is that? It's because they may have balls
of steel, but they don't know how to CONVEY it fast. This sort of thing
helps you to do that. Also, it's so important to have this stuff down
in clubs, because there are always guys trying to lower your status to
elevate theirs. So being savvy of the subcommunication that's going on
in between alpha guys is really key in social gatherings.
It's also so key, because it gives you the confidence that you're the
coolest guy in the venue. You know that you're in control of your
situation, and you won't have to resort to qualifying yourself and
getting into long winded debates, with other guys that try to mess with
you.
Anyway, I'll post more on this later. So on to the outing report.
I get a phone call from another one of my ex-girlfriends' exboyfriends.
This is the guy that I "stole" my ex-girlfriend from. I slept with her
while they were still together, and she dumped him supposedly for me
(debatable). Then we stayed together for a while.
So its funny, because this guy had read ASF prior to breaking up with
his girl, in passing. He knew who I was, and was like "WTF????
TYLERDURDEN FROM ASF STOLE MY GIRLFRIEND???? AM I GOING TO F*CKING WAKE
UP FROM THIS???"
Man, you've gotta see the humour in this. Like imagine if you guys got
your girlfriend stolen by Maniac_High or something, after you'd read
the site.
Anyway, he's a good guy. Just a decent guy who loved his girlfriend and
wanted to make her happy, kind of like what I was back in my AFC days
when I lost my 2 year GF to some dude who was more alpha than me. And
like me, he was broken up by it for around a year.
So I decided to start taking him out regularly, to let him watch me
work and give him some tutoring. It's very cathartic for me, because I
feel alot like I'm talking to myself 2 years ago. Like as if I could go
back in time and help myself to "pop the blue pill", and escape the
depression and whatnot. This guy could be good, too, with time. He's
decent looking, tall, and intelligent (hence he had a cute GF, who I
took from him). He just needs material and some practice with C&F and
25-points type stuff.
What followed tonight was a real eye-opener for him, and also reminded
me of what it's like to be on the other end of the cheating equation.
We arrive at the club around midnight. I walk with him up to one of the
bartenders, and try to game her up. I get her laughing, but I do poorly
on the follow up. I over-teased a bit, and felt kind of stupid. I regained
her interest by telling her that she looks like she belongs in
NYC (to compensate for overnegging), and then eject while it's still
good because I don't feel like trying to backpedal.
I walk over to a different bar at the other end of the venue, where
there is a smoking hot bartender and a pretty cute girl who is
surrounded by 4 guys. They are the only set on our side of the bar. The
venue is slow tonight, which suits me fine because I really only need 1
or 2 girls to have a full night, unless I am conducting a workshop or
testing new material/ideas or something.
We sit down on the bar stools, where we'll spend the rest of this
report.
The main AMOG is a big f*cker. He's wearing his rugby team shirt, and
he's a natural. The girls dig him.
The bartender is telling the AMOG's 5-set about how everyone thinks
that her breasts are fake, but they're really real, etc., etc... She's
qualifying herself, which surprises me because this girl has no need.
She probably wants the AMOG.
I yell over:
TD: Don't be embarrassed.. Implants will give you buoyancy when you're
swimming. If we were all lost at sea, you'd be the only one to
survive..
HBBartender hahahhaha. THEY'RE NOT FAKE!
TD: Sure.. Um yeah, cool..
AMOG: Hey! Don't insult my girlfriend! (I can tell he's playing Mr.
Coolguy AMOG, and that he's not her boyfriend.)
TD: You guys are a couple? That's so cute. You guys are so similar
looking, it's like you're brother and sister. Oh MAN - if you guys have
kids they'll come out like (I put my hands on the side of my face and
make flipper motions and squeaky noises, pretending the kids will be
inbred retarded)
HBBartender (and whole set) :hahahhahahahhahaha...
AMOG: What? Shut the f*ck up or I'll smash your face in.
TD: LOL.. Whoa. Dude man, I'm turning back around. This whole corner of
the bar is yours man. You rule this territory. You're like the
alphamale of this joint man - CARRY ON.. (I flick him off with a
dismissive wave, as I turn my back on him, on my barstool, and talk to
the guy I'm out with).
HBBartender: hahahahhahahahhaha..
(I chat my friend for a minute, as the bartender comes over and starts
touching me and shit.. the girl from the AMOG's set is also staring at
me, while I'm actively ignoring all of them and just chatting my
friend, to make it look like we're just two old friends out on the
town, having a drink to catch up... Then the AMOG comes over and puts
his arms around me and my friend, to out-alpha us).
AMOG: Hey, you guys are cute. I want to buy you a drink, man. (it's
condescending to out alpha me)
TD :A drink? Holy shit dude, you're like the nicest guy in this whole
place Man, THANKS.. YO, this guy wants to buy me a drink! (I yell this
a few times for everyone to hear, so he looks stupid.. they all laugh
at him)
AMOG:Yeah, I'm calling him cute.
TD: OMG man. You're cute too. I love your nipples (poke him). Man, you
can roll with me any time.
(Now everyone is laughing at him, and he's not too happy. He's touching
me more and more, to regain status. I'm laying back like I don't give a
f*ck, and then I jump out from under his arm, slap him on the back, and
go "Whoa big fella.. easy now.." and turn my back on him and re-engage
the guy I came with).
Out of nowhere, the girl from the AMOG's set crawls up on his back, and
peeps over at me from over his shoulder. She looks like a little 5 year
old, peeping over her dad's shoulder.
TD: You look like a little puppet, peering over at us like that. It's so
funny.
HB: hahahhaha.. WHAT? I'm a PUPPET?
TD :Yeah. Or a powerpuff girl (I haven't used the powerpuff girl line in
months.. nice to bring the back old school on this HB)..
HB: ahahhaa.. which one?
TD: Bubbles..
HB: hahahahaa... What's your name?
AMOG: (cuts in, probably thinking "How the f*ck is this guy doing
this??") This guy is cute. I tried to buy him a drink (trying to outalpha
me).
TD: Yeah, I'm thinking of going home with this guy. I can't resist a big
teddy bear like him. He's so cuddly, and he touches me alot which I
really like. Look at his big arms (I squeeze his arms).
HB: hahahaha..
TD: Yeah, but you know what? Really, the real sexual predators are
GIRLS.. Girls are sexual predators.. OK, get this. Girls are the only
ones with ONE BODYPART, that's designed for nothing other than sexual
pleasure.
HB: hahahaha
AMOG: Hey, you can't talk about this to my girlfriend.
TD: Hey man, this may be your girlfriend, but she's MY little sister..
(I turn from him to the girl). You know what? You're lucky I even let
you go out with her, man. If I wasn't going home tonight with this big
teddy bear, I'd adopt you. You could be my new little sister.
HB (jumps on me and kinos me): OMG, I would LOVE that..
TD: Yeah, I would wrap you up in a little bubble wrap envelope. I'd pack
you in my suitcase and you could squish all the bubbles. I'd bring you
to LA with me to hang out, so you wouldn't have to live in this sh*tty
weather.
HB: OMG OMG OMG.. YES! DO IT!
(AMOG is feeling deflated.. I have so many IOIs because I'm using a bit
of party style game on her, in terms of the high impact lines I'm
using.. He feels the lack of attention from his girl)
AMOG: Hey, are you going to adopt me too?
TD: Dude, be quiet, I'm talking about sexual predators.. Now where was
I? Oh yeah.. Girls are the only ones with one bodypart just for sexual
pleasure.
HB: hahahhaha
TD: Yeah, and on that bodypart, there are ten times more nerve endings
than anything that a guy has..
HB: hahahaha..
TD: That's why when girls have sex, they go "AWWWWW... OOHHHHH".. and
guys are like "ummmm yeah, this is cool"
HB: hahahahahahahahahah (dies laughing) IT'S TRUE! Girls are sexual
predators! OMG, I can't believe you know that!
AMOG: Wow, this guy is smart..
TD: Thanks bro. Man, I love compliments. Its definitely ON between us
tonight, dude.
HB: hahahaha..
TD: Check this out. My friend showed me this earlier today. This rocks.
Get a coin out (I start running the coin-snatch trick).
As f*cking USUAL, and I see this ALL THE TIME with AMOGs - he steals
the coin out of my hand. BUT, because I have the IOIs, I just say "Hey,
my boyfriend is feeling a little insecure. Get the coin back from him."
and I turn my back on her. Because I've turned my back, she feels the
loss of the takeaway and starts SCREAMING at the guy to give it back.
He looks like an idiot, having to give it back. btw, in cases where
this happens *before* I have the IOIs to make her scream at him to get
it back, I just pump a bunch of mini-cold-reads and teases in a row, to
get her buying temperature up fast, and then ask. She'll do it. In this
case, I have buying temperature already, so I just tell the girl what
to do, and turn around and smirk to the guy who came with me, whose jaw
is dropped, gaping at how I've structured this. She pulls me and tugs
me to turn back around, and I run the coin snatch basic trick.
HB: OMG OMG OMG OMG... That was SO FAST..
TD: You're awesome.. I love how you laugh at all my jokes and you make
me feel like I'm the sh*t.. I want to hang with you all the time..
Actually, I know I never will, because its a bar-thing, but I felt the
emotion of wanting it for one brief second back there, nonetheless..
HB: NOOOOOOO, you have to hang with me, blah blah..
TD: No no.. Your boyfriend here can take care of you. Look at this guy.
He's super nice. He even tried to buy me a drink. You could get drinks
from this guy, and he'd call you 10 times a day and worship you and
always seek your approval. Plus, look how cute he is. And look at his
arms. (I squeeze his arms).
AMOG: Oh, thanks man.. You're cute too (not good enough of a comeback,
so she's still focused on me).
TD: (I roll my eyes at the girl like "let's go" girl eyecode, and she
nods to me in understanding).
AMOG: (whispers into my ear) Dude, this girl is from Perth (45 minutes
away). She doesn't live here. You won't get her.
TD (ignoring the comment): You know, I have an intuition about you.
You're from Perth, aren't you? That's the feeling I get.
HB: HOLY SHIT! HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT????
AMOG: I *told* him..
TD :Umm yeah. HB, it was actually intuition. Watch. Picture a number on
a blackboard, from one to four. Picture it, picture it, picture it....
OK..... THREE.
HB: OMG OMG OMG.. How did you do that???
AMOG: He guessed..
TD :Yeah, cool man.. Anyway, keep picturing the black board.. Picture a
number from one to ten.. Picture it, picture it, picture it........
SEVEN.
HB: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH (screams)
(she now believes that I could tell that she was from Perth on my own,
and thinks that the AMOG is lying to her)
TD: I'll teach you that sometime. It's easy to learn, but not many
people know it. Everyone has it in them.
HB: OMG.
TD: I'm trusting you more now. But I still see that predator thing on
your face. I'm going to trust-test you. (run trust test, and fail her
even though she does decent.. I slap her hands away and tell her to 'go
away', as she keeps her hands there like a puppydog trying to take
another shot.. she gets it good, and then I put her hands on my thighs,
and she keeps them there as I lean back in my chair - good IOI).
I then run the teddybear lap tactic thing on her, and she jumps off me
and shrieks. She whispers in my ear "You can't do that with them here..
Don't do that right now.." I'm surprised. I've never had that trick
fail even once. Instead of worrying, I just plow through, and figure to
try again later, once buying temperature is up (although I'm surprised,
because all of my intuitions were telling me that she was high enough
to sit on my lap).
TD: I run around 5-6 humour stories, including bad ass little kid story,
rollerblading story, and commonalities story (money routine I invented
and will post later because it could use improvements - very comfort
building style, but in the form of a DHV).
The AMOG is constantly trying to be invasive, and I just keep either
rolling my eyes at him and continuing, or out-alphaing him with the
basic stuff that I was using before. On a few occasions over the next
hour he gets in a few good ones, but it's like 10-1 in my favour, so I
suck up all the IOIs from him within seconds, every time.
He's frequently telling me what to do. Ordering me around. "Dude, come
dance.", "Man, show this girl something.", "Guy, treat me/her/whoever
with respect". I'd constantly say sh*t like "Easy tiger.. C'mon man,
you're too cute to get angry", and sh*t like that. Or I'd completely
ignore him, and be very dismissive. He couldn't get an inch, and
EVERYONE around us was very aware of it. He probably thought to himself
"How is this little sh*t doing this??"
Anyway, at this point the HBs *actual* boyfriend comes over, and he's
friends with the AMOG. He starts making out with the HB I've been
gaming, and the AMOG is like "See man, there's her boyfriend". She
comes over and whispers "He's lying. Neither of them are my
boyfriends." She repeatedly nods her head and whispers "Lying",
whenever anyone mentions that she has a boyfriend, even though she has
made out with this guy and it is very obvious that it is her boyfriend.
Haaa!! So that's why she jumped off my lap. It was a social thing, not
a buying temperature thing. She doesn't want AMOG telling her boyfriend
anything. Makes sense. That's why she's put her hands on my legs and
keep them there (good IOI test, to see if she's ready for more).
Also, what's interesting here, is that my main goal in this set is to
get social proof in front of the hot hot hot bartender. She's the one I
really want. The HB in my set is pretty cute also, but the bartender
stands out more. She's looking over on my set, with great interest.
She's coming over and sitting near me all the time, giving me
proximity-IOIs. I have conveyed alot of personality to her, obliquely,
as she has watched this set.
Also of note, is that every time that the HB from the set that I am
gaming turns to her set to talk to them, I turn my back on them back to
the guy that I came with. I ignore them, as if the set is done. Each
time, she will tap me on the shoulder and beg me to talk to her more. I
ignore her taps, and keep talking to my friend. I don't even stopping
mid sentence to acknowledge her, but rather pretending I'm not noticing
her tapping my shoulder and yelling at me, until she practically jumps
on me to get my attention. Then I'll turn around and give her more
treats.
I do massive comfort building, and build commonalities. We're holding
hands, and she's squeezing. I build comfort and commonality for around
twenty minutes.
Then her friends drag her away to a seat about 15 feet away. My friend
tells me that she's looking over constantly. She comes over and gets
drinks and jumps on me, every five minutes. I ignore her, and she keeps
going for my attention. The AMOG is looking over, glaring, and the
boyfriend is clueless because he wasn't there earlier to see what was
happening.
I tell her that I want to hang with her, but that I can't because she's
from Perth (elastic band disqualification, instead of saying she's
"drunk" like I normally do, I use geography). She qualifies herself to
me that her parents are rich and own 5 houses, and that she has a
whirlpool in one of them and that I can come over tomorrow and have a
whirlpool with her.
I'm like "Cool", and then turn my back on her. This makes no sense, but
I do this often when girls offer me their #. If I know it's FULLY ON,
then I'll make THEM work to try to bring up ways to make me take their
#, and sit back and laugh inside as I watch them trying to bring it up
cleverly as if it were natural. It's so funny to watch, because it's
just like what guys do to girls, and it's so f*cking transparent that
it just shows me that it's impossible to cover up.
My plan at this point, is to say "Ask the bartender for a pen, to give
me your #."
***TACTIC PAWNING FOR BARTENDERS
What I'm doing here is getting her to ask for the pen, and do all the
work, like a little puppydog, right in front of the bartender. Then, I
follow up by gaming the bartender, and at some point I'll say that the
girl who gave me her # is weird, and that I'm not calling her. The
reason for this, is that you have only 5-7 minutes to game the
bartender, and you want max-value going in. So the game is to get value
obliquely first, and then just engage her long enough to qualify her
quickly, and take her # for later or set a meet for after hours.
Unfortunately, JUST as I am about to run the standard bartender tactic
that I always use, her friends come over and drag her to the dance
floor. She asks us to come, and we pretend not to hear her. She comes
back from the floor every 5 minutes, trying to talk to me.
Finally, its near closing time. She comes up to me.
HB: I'm going to be here tomorrow. Promise me you'll be here.
TD (I whisper into her ear) You were offering me your number so many
times Is the reason that you're not doing it because your boyfriend is
right there watching? Just pen it down and slip it to me without him
noticing.
HB: Yeah, he gets jealous. He's not even my boyfriend. But I'll get you
my number. Just wait here. (LIES she was making out with him and was
lovey-dovey with him).
The guy I am with is gaping, jaw dropped. He's like "Did that girl
SERIOUSLY tell you she's getting you her number????"
HB's boyfriend is cuddling her, and she's looking at me like as if to
say "help". I walk over to the bartender HB, and say "Go give that girl
a pen for me, because her boyfriend is there and she doesn't want him
to get jealous". The bartender looks at me like I'm the shit, and goes
over and gives it to her.
I sit back down, and a minute later the HB from the set comes over and
drops a piece of paper ball on the floor. She whispers in my ear "It's
on the floor. Promise you'll call me tomorrow." I promise to call, and
she looks at me and keeps looking over at me the whole time that her
boyfriend is dragging her out. I pick up the paper and pocket it.
The AMOG is suspicious that something just happened. He comes over and
says "You are so cute man. Take my #." I look over at my HB, and she is
smirking. I have beaten him, and she views it as him qualifying himself
to her. She rolls her eyes, and I do it too, and we both smirk. I say
"Dude, for a guy like you I have a photographic memory. Shoot." He
gives me his #, and I laugh and say "I'll call for sure." (looking at
the girl, and she nods as if it were directed at her). The AMOG drags
her back to her BF, and I walk past to leave the club and slap the HB
on the ass, without anyone seeing.
I was pissed that I didn't get the # or a meet from the bartender, but
it was just too late. The club was closing, and she was busy with
shutting down the bar. That was a shame, but I WILL go back, and the
AMOG battle was so over the f*cking top, there is little chance that
she will forget it. Either way, I don't care. I will likely get her one
way or another, whether she remembers or not.
I'm not sure whether or not this report conveyed it, but this set was
very f*cking tricky. It took constant balance between keeping the AMOG,
the BF, and the girl, always in check. I used constant backturns and
AMOG blasters and kino and counter kino on the AMOG. I would break
rapport and ignore him, then engage him nicely, then engage him
condescendingly, then roll my eyes at him to the HB. It went on for
around 2 hours or so.
It also took confidence that the girl WOULD return, which meant having
confidence that the field tested and tried and true routines WOULD have
the impact to keep the girl hooked and coming back for more, without me
doing anything to pursue the set or actively keep it going.
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